UH sports fee wakes up students

Having grown up in the golden age of college protests, I’ve found the current student body at the University of Hawai’i to be a pretty apathetic bunch.

When protesters got national attention for taking over an administration building at Manoa a few years ago, I was on campus to speak to a class and the first 10 or so students I asked for their impressions of the protest said, “What protest?”

Apparently, it takes a raid on their wallets to get their attention; many are up in arms over the decision by the Board of Regents to stick them with a $50-per-semester fee to raise $2 million to support UH athletics.

UH sports have always been more of a community thing than a student thing, with students attending games at one of the lowest rates among the nation’s universities.

That their $50 gets them free seats in unsold nosebleed sections for games they have no interest in attending seems to be only adding insult to injury.

The money won’t go to pay coaches’ salaries, but nevertheless, it doesn’t escape their attention that a sub-.500 football coach gets more than $1 million, and we’re paying two basketball coaches next season because the last one was fired with time left on his contract for a poor record.

The depth of anger over the athletic fee among some students was reflected in an e-mail I received from one of the leaders of the opposition, who said students plan to protest by using their free admission to attend nationally televised UH football games and cheer loudly for the opposing team.

“The irony of alienating students with an undemocratic major fee, and then
handing them tickets and even free transportation to an event with major
media attention is easy to grasp, I think,” the student said.

The eyebrow-raiser is the vitriol in the suggested cheer, a rewording of the UH fight song:

Let’s go, to-day’s Visitors! Smash up the Green and White!
Break their bones and faces. Crush them with all your might.
Right! Right! Right!
Snap their fragile ankles. Infect them with disease
Then when the team is, completely cream-ed; Repeal the unfair fees!

As one of my favorite sportscasters Dick Enberg says, “Oh, my.”

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21 Comments on “UH sports fee wakes up students”

  1. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:

    Sorry, David for the mangled quotes. I don’t know why that happened. Let me try again without the coding.


    As one of the people who testified in SUPPORT of the fee, I found one particular individual lacking in common sense as well as intelligence given her approach to getting decision-makers to listen to her concerns. She yelled at Board, bragged about her qualifications to sit on the Board, and made nasty comments about anyone who spoke up in favor of the fee.

    Here is an excerpt from my testimony:


    Recently, I decided to return to school in order to improve my street creds when dealing with state & county administrators & decision-makers. Although I already have several degrees, somehow having one of them in Children’s Theatre doesn’t make it when talking about solid waste management & sewer system systems.

    I hope to be accepted into the College of Engineering sometime within the next 18 months to work on an undergraduate degree in Civil Engineering. Before that, however, I plan to take a number of courses – probably at Honolulu Community College – to review core skills in mathematics, science & technology so that I can survive in that highly competitive environment.

    With respect to UH sports, my husband and I are season ticket holders in six UH sports plus we’ve been supporting Wahine Softball since 2005. We’re not wealthy – in fact, I took a major hit financially because I work for a non-profit which lost a major chunk of its funding at the end of 2008.

    The students who oppose this fee do not get it. We ticket holders not only support intercollegiate athletics but also we support the entire University of Hawai`i System through our income and the General Excise Taxes we pay on practically everything we buy or use.

    Those who would argue that it’s not fair to pay for STUFF they don’t use – Wake up, folks. We all do that every single day.

    I pay for services I don’t want or need or will ever use, but I do so because others who want or need these services cannot afford to pay for them on their own. That’s part of living in a civil society. I hate it that I have to support the war in Afghanistan, but I don’t have any choice.

    The University of Hawai`i’s commitment to women’s sports programs has really paid off for all women. Title IX has provided educational opportunities for women who never would have been able to attend college until it was put into law by Hawai`i’s own Patsy Mink.

    Remember what I said earlier about working towards a degree in Civil Engineering? When I was in my mid-teens, I never dreamed that I might be able to compete in a “man’s world.” Now women are lawyers, doctors, engineers, construction workers, pilots, police officers, and firefighters – not just secretaries and elementary school teachers and nurses.


    The University of Hawai`i student-athletes deserve our support. Cheering their opponents on the home team field or court shows that these student-protesters have no class.

  2. wafan Says:

    Bravo W-Doc.

    Need to wonder what some of the “students” are actually learning at the university. Civility, apparently, is not.

  3. Shaloha Says:

    Nothing screams “Liberal!” as Capitol-ist’s characterization of someone disagreenig with her as “lacking in common sense as well as intelligence”!

    Also, every point must be accompanied by an endless stream of self referential and irrelevant autobiographical data brought up, no doubt, to highlight one’s bona fides.

    After insulting her opponents and showering us with irrelevant data points, Capitol-ist gets down to business: totally ignoring Dave’s point that “UH sports have always been more of a community thing than a student thing” she tells us that it is nothing less then virtuous for students to pay for the services that she consumes (UH Sports)since “That’s part of living in a civil society.”

    Liberalism is a mental affliction indeed. Where is that sense of entitlement comes from? Who knows.

    Why is it ok to stick one’s hand into someone’s pocket on any pretext?

    Basically the price of a UH tickets should reflect the true costs and if the attendance is non existent then the programs need to be shut down. If the Liberals want to subsidise female sports then they and only they should pay for them and stop socializing the cost of their utopian ideas.

    I suspect that once the Democrats are asked to pay for the services or goods they demand, the desire to impose the cost burden on the rest of us will go down significantly.

    The students, I belive, have learned a valuable lesson: Liberals do not like to pay for their absurd programs – they need us to provide the $ “support” because that makes us, the serfs and riff-raff, “civil”.

  4. Scott Goold Says:

    Aloha ~
    Capitol -ist/WassupDoc makes an important point … we all pay for programs we do not use directly. I’m not homeless but pay taxes to support those who are. My wife and I do not have children but pay quite a bit to support the keiki of other families. Yes, this is part of a civil society. On the other hand, this is not a reason why we should support UH college professional sports.

    UH sports are a mess. Outside Shoji in women’s volleyball, I see tremendous lack of accountability, poor management and a complete absence of fiscal responsibility. In general the major male sports field losing programs.

    How is it possible the athletic department created $10 MILLION in red ink? How is it possible they are losing millions per year? Before demanding students BAIL OUT this failing system, administrators should be fired. Campus sports should live within their means – just as we’re asking families and government to do.

    Rather than demand fiscally sound management, the Regents excused failing administrators and said to students, Since you aren’t attending the games, we are punishing you by TAXING you $50 per semester. Maybe you’ll come now but we are giving you the worst seats and not enough for all of you – unless the paying public does not show up – then you can come in. Stand in the back of the line and we’ll let you know.

    Over the past year we battled politically over fixes to our public school system. What if a leader had proposed, “Every resident must pay $50 per school semester to support our public schools.”

    The call would have been met by an ANGRY cry from voters and likely led to the official being tarred and feathered.

    In this environment, the UH Board of Regents waited until mid-summer, when students were away from campus, to vote a $50 per semester TAX on students. This is egregiously unethical.

    The Regents get away with this only because students are poorly organized and wield little power – another example of the powerful in America taking advantage of the weak.

    Students have told us, by their behavior, they do not prefer to attend athletic events. They have told us their costs are exploding for books and other college needs. Last year their professors suffered a pay cut and many staff were cut. Their eduction resources DECREASED over the past year. Why not allocate the $50 per semester [$2,000,000] to their academic needs?

    Students today fall into the social group that has the HIGHEST rate of unemployment. It’s tough for all Americans to find jobs – worse for the student cohort. Yet Regents add more costs to their backs so fans, coaches and athletes can continue their failing ways.

    When discussing our public schools, the biggest complaint – correct or not – was the perceived inefficiency and accountability of the DOE system. Voters are demanding administrators “stop wasting money.”

    Now, contrast general voter sentiment with the UH decision.

    The football coach is the highest paid state worker at some $1.1 million. He had a losing record but did not offer to take a salary cut. Pay him like a professor – if this is COLLEGE rather than PRO sports.

    Where’s the accountability? Why should losing coaches be rewarded? Why are we not applying incentives that are part of capitalism? When a coach wins and fills the stands, s/he should gets bonuses; when s/he loses, well, tough!

    As with Wall Street and companies like GM, we are socializing the risks and privatizing the rewards.

    Why are we paying two basketball coaches? This wasn’t a decision made by students. The UH athletic department signed a long-term contract with the former coach; the department broke the contract and now students must suffer.

    When facing conditions of austerity, priorities are an essential issue. We need to focus on education in this country, not entertainment. Most college sports are entertainment today.

    Students select a university because (1) they can afford it; (2) the school has academic programs they want; (3) they are accepted; and (4) they are confident they can land a job post graduation.

    Sports for 99% of prospective students are irrelevant to this decision.

    Faculty select a university because (1) they receive lucrative compensation/benefit offers; (2) it has academic resources they want; and (3) it is a positive career move.

    Sports for 99% of prospective faculty are irrelevant to this decision.

    The bottom line is the Regents put a gun to the heads of UH students – similar to conditions faced by Queen Liliuokalani – if you want an education, you must pay this FORCED TAX.

    Of course they’re angry! They have a right to be. It is callous not to expect them to be angry. Yet I ask students not to direct their anger toward the athletes. They did not make this decision. They, like you, have little power and are here only for a future job.

    Be angry with YOUR Regents. They cheated you! They did not have the courage to face you. They hid like cockroaches and passed this in your absence. Not much has changed since 1893 …

    @Capitol -ist/WassupDoc: I know this helps you financially but please don’t wish this on the students. It’s wrong. If ticket prices go up, I’ll donate to your entertainment fund. This was neither a fair TAX at this time nor the ethical way to go about levying the TAX.


  5. Scott Goold Says:

    Aloha David ~
    You have always demanded civility on your blog. The vitriolic language and personal attacks on Capitol -ist/WassupDoc by Shaloha is unacceptable. There is no reason to introduce labels, such as Liberal, into this argument.

    I believe Kolea concluded that Shaloha is a combination of Shalom and Aloha. Shaloha demonstrates none of the admired qualities of these two concepts.

    I would appreciate it if you would delete the post and caution Shaloha.



  6. jaded Says:

    I second Scott’s request. 🙂

  7. haole Says:

    first amendment.the student’s in my opinion are not apathetic at all.they voted in mass for president obama.when they graduate from college they can then start collecting un-employment.that college degree will make good good reading in the un-employment line.

  8. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:

    That’s okay, folks – I stopped reading Shaloha’s posts weeks ago for several reasons. But the principles of blog civility do still exist. David has to deal with balancing decency and free speech issues to some degree – fortunately, he’s not a government.

    However, Scott – you and I have to disagree on this. Tf you read Stephen Tsai’s blog posts in the Star Advertiser and the Honolulu Advertiser archives as well as his detailed stories in the sports section over the past three years, you’ll see that the issues go way beyond the charges of bad coaching and bad fiscal management.

    Jim Donovan, the Athletic Director, inherited a huge pile of woes – personnel, deficits, a staff trying to deal with resignations & firings & inappropriate coaching behaviors – when he took on the job in March, 2008. He’s making a lot of progress and addressing both the human and the financial situations in appropriate ways.

    BTW – he had nothing to do with negotiating the contract covering Coach Nash’s dismissal. However, he did get stuck with following through with it.

    Manoa Chancellor Hinshaw is just wrapping up her third year on the job. She has been really visible and accessible to students, staff, faculty, and the public. Within her first six months on the job, she had a winning football coach resign and was forced to fire a thoroughly incompetent Athletic Director – that’s how Jim D. got hired in the spring of 2008.

    Even so UH had championship teams in softball, baseball, men’s & women’s volleyball, and women’s track & field this past academic year. Since the 2007 – 2008 academic years, UH has also had championship teams in tennis, sailing, and women’s soccer. Eight out nineteen sports isn’t that bad.

    However, what is really impressive is the graduation rate. A few weeks ago, nearly 100 student-athlete scholars – out of nearly 400 students who play for UH – were honored for their academic achievements.

    One of the key issues is something we cannot change – geography. Unlike the University of Washington which now sends even its football team by bus to play Washington State and Oregon & Oregon State rather than by plane, we don’t have any choice but to fly all of our teams more than 2500 miles across the Pacific Ocean to play away matches, meets & games.

    There are other issues having to do with financial matters that are out of the hands of the Department of Athletics until it comes time re-negotiate the contracts for parking, concessions, etc. In the meantime, th

    As for students paying additional taxes – welcome to the real world, folks. Based upon the amount I pay in taxes and the percentage of the budget that UH gets, I pay almost $700 a year in taxes to support UH or more than 10% of my annual income of $6000 per year or $500 a month for (ha-ha) quarter-time employment. Fortunately, that deficit is made up by my spouse. All totaled, we pay just under %1400 in taxes to support the UH system.

    Another thing to remember is that the average age of students in the entire University of Hawai`i System is just over 25 years of age. We’re not talking about kids her.

    As for the $50 a semester fee, that comes out to less than 50 cents a day or less than $3.50 a week. That’s the cost of a fat-ridden hamburger with fries at MickeyD’s or a medium iced Frappacino from Starbucks or half a pack of cigarettes or a bottle of beer at a local bar.

    As you well know intercollegiate athletics are often the only way the general public knows what’s happing on campus. To bring in funding from alumni or corporate sponsors requires that these potential donors know what’s going on at the University – and let’s be honest here, hearing or reading about the cutting edge research on climate change being done in the School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology or an award-winning biography written by a member of the English Department is not going to be in the Star Advertiser or on blogs or heard in discussions on radio & tv stations on a daily basis. However, what will be is UH’s football team or the new men’s basketball team or the Wahine softball team.

    As our friend just north of San Diego has demonstrated over & over both on Stephen’s blog and elsewhere, the “upper campus” at any institution of higher learning gets a lot of benefits for academic programs that it needs – read additional $$$ from donors and grants – by having a strong intercollegiate athletic program.

    Asking the students to pay $50 a semester and get a bunch of freebies is not unrealistic. Just my tickets alone for men’s basketball, women’s volleyball, and football are going to cost over $750 this coming year – and the students can see these same games & matches for free.

    In closing, Scott, I am really surprised at your position given your personal history.

  9. ccpp Says:

    You are hilarious for your statement:

    “Aloha David ~
    You have always demanded civility on your blog. The vitriolic language and personal attacks on Capitol -ist/WassupDoc by Shaloha is unacceptable. There is no reason to introduce labels, such as Liberal, into this argument.”

    Let re print the comment you made about me a few threads back:

    from Scott:
    Aloha ccpp (or is it cccp?) ~
    Your pen name confused me … did you make a typo?
    It is well-reported on Fox news that people working in academia are anti-American and communist sympathizers. It is also clear Professor Glenn Beck falls into this disreputable category. CCCP is another way to write USSR, accounting for translation from Russian to English. CCCP can also mean Central Committee of the Communist Party. Is this what you really meant?

    Are you part of the secret Russian spy ring recently uncovered in our nation? Is this why you hide your name from us? Should we refer to you from now on as Igor?

    Tell us please! Are you a communist sympathizer? Or, more generally, ananti-American SOCIALIST?
    Is this your secret agenda and reason why you are diverting us from the primary discussion on this page, which was Lingle and her cowardly veto of the civil union legislation?
    Just wondering …

    After your personal attack directed at me, which I have NEVER done to you, did I cry like a baby and demand Dave delete your comments? Shaloha called someone a liberal… So? What is your problem with that given you have called me, among others things, a communist, Russian spy and anti-American socialist?

    You know what a bully is? It is someone or a group who only picks on another person or group that is weaker than they are. The bully scenario is the reason why Hinshaw and the BOR FORCED UH students to single handedly support the debt ridden UH athletic program. UH students are a captive audience; easy pickings, devoid of any power or means to retaliate any any significant way against the BOR & Hinshaws for their actions. The BOR could have required that the general PUBLIC, including students attending UH games bail out the bankrupt UH athletic dept by further raising ticket prices but that would have resulted in serious backlash, not only with the financial bottom line of the UH athletic dept, but also the Democratic party machine that put them in Power. Therefore, suck out the money from the students, as dropping out of UH and transferring to another school in protest of the athletic fee is not a viable option for a student. The best UH students can do is either not show up for UH games, which is what they will do anyway or root for the opposing team. Thats probably not a good idea cause the bruddahs and friends of UH athletes would probably “tune up” these protesting UH students, either in the stands or after the game in the UH stadium parking lot.


  10. David Shapiro Says:

    Cap’s right, it’s a balancing act. While I don’t care for the kind of name-calling in the Shaloha post, he does get around to a point that’s reasonably on topic and I can’t justify deleting after letting some earlier “teabagger” bashing from the other side stand. I tend to agree that Shaloha is an inappropriate alias for this kind of nastiness and would personally vote for a return of Fluffy.

  11. Shaloha Says:

    Thank you ccpp for your support. How thin skinned one must be to take an offence at being labeled a “liberal”? This is after labeling her opponent as “lacking in common sense as well as intelligence”?!

    The common word for somene such as described above is “stupid” or an “imbecile”.

    But I digress.

    Since when being a Liberal had become a form of “nastiness” and a “personal attack”? I could quote Scott Goold’s invective and name calling that ranges from racist and antisemitic remarks to the gay references and more.

    My point is that outside any specific topic of discussion a characteristic of a Liberal is that they will use ad hominem and straw man arguments as a matter of course. The elitism and condescention is palatable in every post, turn of phrase or expression.

    Tired of loosing arguments and being transparent to anyone but themselves, the Liberals always shut down any contradictory opinions in any forum, often by violent means. Perhaps they do not have confidence in their believes to defend them in a civilized way.

    Every time Scott will use “teabaggers” reference I will point out the gay bashing behind it. Every time he uses “neocon” to mean a “dirty Jew” I will call him on it. Get used to it or argue in the civilized manner.

    Dave knows who I am by not only by the email account that I have provided but by IP address I am using.

    I will revert to cuddly little creature (my alter ego)when the other side will start advancing real arguments insted of insults and racist invective.

  12. zzzzzing Says:

    that brings up a point: geez folks, please dispense with the liberal bastardization of ‘tea partier’ or ‘tea party member’ – namely ‘teabagger,’ mmmkay? That word has its root (no pun intended) in a sex act. If you don’t know what “it” is, look it up, ffs.

  13. Scott Goold Says:

    Aloha ccpp ~
    You quoted from our discussion on July 7, 2010 regarding civil unions, I believe. You had digressed from the original topic and had attacked a number of positions and people.

    You ended one LONG post with:
    My closing statement is that the REAL underlying problem is that our society no longer has people wanting to serve our government for the purpose of community service or to better our society. Politics now attracts self-centered, greedy individuals with hidden agendas that often center on the attainment of power and/or money. Glenn Beck and some other conservatives hypothesize that at the national level it is people who decades ago where “anti-establishment”, who were driven by a social agenda, have now been able to creep into the highest levels of government and are able to enact their own social agenda given the are now the “establishment” in power. On the local level, I don’t think that is the issue. With our local politicians, I think it just comes down to getting elected and maintaining that status to acquire power and $$$$.

    FIRST, I am involved in politics “for the purpose of community service or to better our society.” I know many GOOD and DECENT activists in many areas. You are wrong, cynical and callous to our efforts.

    You added, “Politics now attracts self-centered, greedy individuals with hidden agendas that often center on the attainment of power and/or money.”

    I’m sure there have always been some people – from the beginning of time – who are like this but NOT ALL political activists are this way. Maybe you are???

    You wrote, “Glenn Beck and some other conservatives hypothesize …”

    Glenn Beck is not an impressive source. And, I responded in detail to your point that our Founders fit your/his negative description.

    Basically, you’re tearing down our system. You’re cynical and negative. You have the right to your opinion but I was writing tongue in cheek to emphasize your pejorative slant on American democracy.

    Are you willing to refudiate your comments now?


  14. Scott Goold Says:

    Aloha Capitol -ist/WassupDoc ~
    You say you’re surprised I would oppose an unethical vote to impose an unfair tax on students to support a mismanaged athletic department.

    I assume you say this because I was a scholarship athlete. I support athletes – not poorly managed athletic departments. You listed many of the department failures. I pointed out the major men’s sports were the problem. Lesser known sports are doing well, I agree.

    I certainly did not like the timing of this vote – face the students directly – although we know their answer. If ALL students could vote, they would vote the fee increase down. You know that. And, this should tell us something. An ethical Board would have faced the students.

    You are clearly supportive of the fee increase because it benefits you. There’s nothing wrong with this … as Nancy Pelosi correctly states, “All politics is personal.”

    Yet to the 20,000 some students, adding $50 per semester to their bills – in their absence – when the athletic department has mismanaged funds, is not fair. It is not in their interest. To them, the rest of your argument doesn’t matter.

    You say it’s only $3.50 per week … yet let’s put this $3.50 to their education. We need research in America – not more high priced sports. We need more intramural sports, more recreational basketball, volleyball and other sports. We need 20,000 students active in sports – not 500.

    I have seen college sports change negatively in my lifetime. They have become a venue simply to sell corporate products today – per the discussion over the scoreboard. We don’t need multi-million dollar college stadiums with lavish corporate boxes where companies write-off their entertainment. This is pro level and should not be part of the college campus.

    You claim people hear about a school due to its athletic program. If true, isn’t this sad? Maybe this is why our keiki don’t want to study. Why don’t we emphasize our great math, science or language programs?

    The bottom line is we don’t respect academics in America as we should today. This is one reason why public school teachers are so frustrated. We overemphasize athletics and are falling behind other nations due to our lack of focus.

    I’m all for playing sports. My motto has always been, “Participate don’t spectate.” College athletes will play for a nickel and a dime. We love our games. We’re not talking about the athletes here … we’re talking about much, much more.

    Too many athletic departments are out of control. They have become big business and lost sight of the purpose of our universities. These were built to educate and train our best and brightest to move our nation forward. Today, it seems the state of our football team determines the reputation of our institutions of higher learning. We’re out of balance – like many other things in our society.


  15. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:


    I don’t benefit in any way by this fee increase. I am paying full price for my season tickets. How do I benefit – either personally or professionally? Come the spring of 2012 when I hope to start my civil engineering classes at Manoa, I’ll be paying the fee, but I won’t be using the freebies because my SigOth cannot sit with me in the student section.

    The Regents did not sneak this through – the issue was brought up well over a year ago and, in fact, only about 5% of the students at UHM all totaled expressed any opposition to the fee. Why should they override the others including the ones who don’t speak up at all.

    I suggest that you write a (real) letter to Howard H. Karr, Chair of the BOR, articulating your concerns and asking that the issue be brought back to the table for further consideration.

    Ramon de la Pena is the Kaua`i Regent so why not cc the letter to him as well.

    Another person to get your letter would be Keith Amemiya, Interim Executive Administrator and Secretary of the Board of Regents. In addition to being an attorney, for many years he was the Executive Director of the Hawaii High School Athletics Association.

    Here is the contact information:

    Board of Regents
    2444 Dole Street, Bachman Hall, Room 209
    Honolulu, HI 96822

    Some background on the Chair taken directly from the BOR website. I think he’s very knowledgeable about $$$ issues and someone who needs to be brought to the table very quickly on other issues we’ve been discussion outside of this blog:

    Howard H. Karr joined the Board of Regents in 2008.

    Karr concluded his 29-year career with First Hawaiian Bank as executive vice president and chief financial officer of BancWest Corp. and vice chairman of the Administration and Finance Group (which includes the controller’s, legal and information technology divisions) of First Hawaiian Bank. He oversaw the acquisition of Hawai‘i Thrift and Loan, First Interstate Bank of Hawai‘i and Pioneer Federal Savings and Loan; the merger with Bank of the West; and the acquisition of BancWest by BNP Paribas, a $2.5 billion transaction.

    He previously served as an accountant and audit manager with Coopers and Lybrand and spent eight years in the U.S. Army Reserve with the 100th Battalion 442nd Regiment Reserve.

    Involved with numerous community, not-for-profit and professional organizations over the past two decades, Karr serves on boards or committees for Aloha United Way, the Crown Prince Akihito Scholarship Foundation, Hawai‘i Medical Service Association, Japan-America Society of Hawai‘i, Rehabilitation Hospital of the Pacific, Special Olympics of Hawai‘i and Waialae Country Club. A member University of Hawai‘i Foundation Board of Trustees, he has served three terms as chair and sits on the Centennial Campaign Cabinet with his wife Audrey.

    Born in Honolulu, Karr graduated from Roosevelt High School and earned a BBA from the University of Hawai‘i at Manoa with a major in accounting and minor in economics. He is a UH Distinguished Alumni Award recipient and was inducted into Manoa’s Shidler School of Business Alumni Hall of Honor. Other honors include the Order of the Rising Sun, Gold Rays with Rosette from the Government of Japan and Boy Scouts of America Silver Beaver Award.

  16. Michael Says:

    It takes money to make money.
    UH has none to make and none to give.
    Unless UH strikes oil in the football field
    or campus, money is brought in by donations from
    alumnis and by tuitions.

    Oahu says State but the State is Oahu only.
    “All roads lead to Rome” Oahu is not Rome.
    Why should outer Island pay for something they
    won’t use or provide power when they get no discount?

    How much profit is there to make when one attacks a 2 cent comment? It seems one talks of Freedom of Speech but the other person is wrong for what they say. In a dignified manner of writing just the same as patronizing the person.

    Ten years from now, no one will remember what was said since many are donkeys and not elephants.
    I admit Shaloha gets a way with a lot more than I.
    That person is Not a lemming, neither am I. More of a mouse, I guess.

  17. Wayne Says:

    If the issue is the fee being a surprise then there truly should be action taken by as many people that can be raised to action.
    With due respect, this is not a discussion about athletics. Team sports in this state gets pathetic beyond the recreational level. The expense of the gamble for the infrequent success of a UH team is fiscally irresponsible.
    College athletics has always been driven by the community.
    I think that the students either in their busy-ness or disinterest, dropped the ball on this one.

  18. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:


    See my post at 4:05 pm about when the issue was first raised under the current Chancellor and Athletics Director’s watch.

    If I recall correctly from what I’ve read on the sports blogs, the student fee issue has been raised at least three times before over the past 20 years, but I wasn’t really tracking it back then so I cannot confirm this.

    There are some interesting discussions going on in Stephen Tsai’s Warrior Beat blog in the Star Advertiser about raising money for physically improving the entire Manoa campus – not just the Athletic Complex – upgrading the entire 10-campus UH System both physically as well as operationally, and expanding significant $$$ support for the DOE.

    Unfortunately, the two solutions which got the most positive feedback will require highly controversial actions on the part of the Legislature and the new Governor: Either raise the GET a half percentage point with the funds designated for UH & the DOE or establish an education-dedicated state lottery.


    DAVID: Remember a few months back when I suggested that we all get together for a socializing meet-up similar to the ones that several other blog hosts have put on over the past three years. You said that you wanted to wait until the two-papers-melted-into-one took place and things settled down.

    For those of you who haven’t followed this, the Tsai-kos hold tailgates at football home games and away game parties in different sports bars, sit together at other sporting events, hold breakfast or lunchtime “Cattle Calls” at various restaurants both on O`ahu and the Neighbor Islands throughout the year, get together for bowling parties and karaoke to celebrate good stuff happening in people’s lives.

    They also take part in various community service activities such as Relay For Life, walkathons, HI-5 drives, etc., and raise money through donations which are donated through the UH Foundation’s `Ahahui Koa Anuenue for training equipment, post-game meals, bracelets for Wahine championship teams, and other items not covered by UH, the WAC or the NCAA.

    On a more sombre note, they’ve donated blood and attended funeral/memorial services for Tsai-kos or someone in their family.

    It would indeed be interesting to see how many O`ahu-based individuals who regularly post on this blog would actually show up were David to host a modest social event such as a potluck at a park close to his home.

  19. Scott Goold Says:

    Aloha Capitol -ist/WassupDoc ~
    Thanks for the contact information. I don’t plan to contact the Regents as I don’t attend UH games nor am I a student. Second, you know they will not listen to my concerns.

    I hold these position because I was once a “Student-Athlete” – please note I placed Student before Athlete. This philosophy came from my parents, teachers and coaches. My most inspirational mentor, Coach Wooden, demanded Student before Athlete as well.

    Athletics should follow Academics in our world. Yet while ALL academic programs in the state are suffering cuts, the Regents imposed a TAX on students for athletics. This only makes sense in an upside down world!

    One concern is the fallout. David successfully captured the alienation felt by students. They believe – rightly or wrongly – that “jocks” get too many perks and privileges as it is. This was true when I played. Students see this as more padding for athletes on their tired backs.

    I would prefer the Regents allow students to vote on the measure in September when they return. As you point out, it has been debated. It is a divisive issue. Let’s act like ethical adults and allow students to vote.

    On first cut, most people would wager the $50 per semester TAX would fail to pass. Maybe we have our moral answer. For students this is not in their perceived best interest.

    Force the Athletic Department to make their case before the students – in the sunshine – as this ensures accountability. Let the Department point out how student support for the athletic program in turn helps academics. The bottom line is this is a spurious argument at best and likely why they shun the “high road.”

    On the other hand, if the Athletic Department successfully convinces a majority of students to support the TAX, alienation will decrease and students will likely support athletes at games – which is one stated goal of this action.

    You asked how you might benefit. The fee increase likely ensures your ticket prices won’t go up, or if they do, they will increase by a smaller amount. Of course you benefit. All fans benefit on the backs of the students.

    Let me end by pointing out why we’re failing in Hawai’i. In the highlighted Sport Section on the Front Page of StarAd, we read, “Warriors Gain Another Rusher.”

    Lancer Tuitele of Mount San Antonio College in California said he will participate in the Warriors’ training camp, which begins Aug. 4.


    Not so fast …

    Buried below the fold under Incidental Lives is a story by Michael Tsai, “Science is Golden for Brainy Nolan.”

    Waiakea High School graduate Nolan Kamitaki doesn’t like to brag (perfect 2,400 on his SATs), and while his parents are certainly proud of what he’s accomplished (first place in the International Science and Engineering Fair, one of two Presidential Scholars from Hawaii), they too are more apt to mind their manners than shout from the rooftops. He’s going to Harvard!

    There’s the “recruit” I want … when UH can sign gifted individuals such as Nolan, the university will have a winning program.

    Football rushers will come and go. Jocks like Scott Goold will soon be forgotten. Nolan Kamitaki will change the world.

    I would support a $50 per semester TAX on students as well as ME to keep locals like Kamitaki here at home.

    Hawai’i’s challenges will not be solved even with a Heisman Trophy rusher. Nolan Kamitaki, on the other hand, …


  20. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:

    It’s a FEE, not a tax. There are other FEES students pay as well – one for the Campus Center and the other for the free Rainbow Shuttle. Either they’re all fees or they’re all taxes.

    And you have the right to contact the Regents since you are a resident and taxpayer of the State of Hawai`i. Your taxes are paying for the Regents’ work – they are not paid but their travel expenses are reimbursed – as well as for the support staff.

    Better to get off your okole and do something instead of sitting before a computer and fulminating at something you think is wrong. That’s what I do.

    You know I’m wrong and I know you are. Let’s agree that this is the way things are between us and move on to other more important issues.

    FFI – the students were already given the opportunity to vote on the fee. I believe about 7% of them did so.

  21. Michael Says:

    Interesting that one types on their computer standing up.

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