Hannemann rolls the dice on GOP appeal

Crossover voting has been an undercurrent in the governor’s race, with third-party groups aligned with Mufi Hannemann appealing to Republicans — especially religious conservatives — to pull Democratic ballots and vote for Hannemann.

But Hannemann’s direct personal appeal this week to Republicans and religious voters raises the stakes — and the risks.

It suggests that despite his campaign’s claims to the contrary, the former Honolulu mayor believes polls showing him running behind Neil Abercrombie and feels he needs to fish aggressively for votes wherever he can find them.

But there’s no guarantee that all Republicans who cross over would vote for Hannemann. Many are furious about the $5.5 billion rail project he launched as mayor, and others took offense at his “I look like you, you look like me” speech.

Few Republicans have much aloha for the liberal Abercrombie, but some might vote for him on the belief that he’d be a better match for likely Republican nominee James “Duke” Aiona.

And there’s the possibility that Hannemann’s statements that he shares many GOP values and worked for two Republican national administrations may turn off Democrats who have always questioned whether he’s really one of them, leading them to ask, “Why should I vote for a guy who says he shares Republican values?”

Hannemann is a smart and experienced campaigner, and obviously he’s done the math and sees a potential net gain.

Any Republicans he attracts to the Democratic primary could also have an impact in the lieutenant governor’s contest, where most would likely go with the religiously conservative Norman Sakamoto, who in a recent Star-Advertiser poll was trailing the more liberal Brian Schatz but was within striking distance.

It could all become moot if Gov. Linda Lingle and the state Republican Party succeed in persuading Republicans to stay home and vote in the GOP primary.


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36 Comments on “Hannemann rolls the dice on GOP appeal”

  1. hipoli Says:

    Unlike some, I am not totally convinced that we can begin to write Mufi’s political eulogy, just yet. I think a lot of people are looking to the Neighbor Islands and the Unions to watch how those votes go. And of course, the church vote. Remember – conventional wisdom had Case kicking Hanabusa’s tooshie, too. Im simply not one to believe the polls.

    I will say, however, if the bongos across the jungle are correct, my feeling is that should Neil win, that his victory will be less votes that are about supporting Neil and rather a distinct vote against Mufi.

    In other words, Neil will not have won this primary, but Mufi will have lost it.

    If it plays out as some are certainly predicting, then Neil and his team shouldnt be too stoked about winning by default.

  2. tommy Says:

    In the words of Yogi Berra, a win is a win is a win.

  3. David Shapiro Says:

    The Washington Post has a profile of the race, “Hawaii’s Aloha spirit is being tested in Democratic primary for governor,” in which Abercrombie comes off as Uncle Avuncular and Hannemann displayed his temper when questioned about the Compare and Decide ad:

    Most explosive, though, was the information under the heading “personal.” Hannemann made clear he was born in Hawaii and married a woman with a distinctly Japanese last name — a major plus with the powerful Japanese voters. By contrast, Abercrombie was identified as a mainlander whose wife has a haole (or white) surname.

    The flier backfired, turning into an effective talking point against Hannemann’s character. “When you apply for a job, what do they ask? Name? Are you married? That’s what it was! It was a job résumé,” insisted Hannemann. When asked whether it was usual practice to ask whom a job applicant was married to, the candidate flashed his temper. “You list if you are married or not. Sometimes you put down the names. My wife’s name is what it is. It was not meant to compare and contrast in a way that would make it look like anything was non-factual. It was factual. He has a wife and she is a good woman. My wife’s a good woman. Let’s just leave it at that and move on. What’s your next question?”

    Asked if it weren’t relevant to the race, he said sharply: “Why are you asking me these questions? Ask me about Neil. The flier was just a small part of it, there are other things here. So let’s move on!”

  4. WooWoo Says:

    Interesting WaPo article.

    I wonder how much of Abercrombie’s plan was part of a plan, or if things just played out that way. Did he have the strategical foresight to think: If I can stay close or sneak ahead in the polls, Mufi will go negative. And since he already has this bully/mean guy meme running against him, I can set this up as, “You see? Told you he was going to be negative. Me? I’m all positive, hope and change.”

    Mufi certainly fell into the hole, whether Abercrombie dug it himself or not. There were already many who were iffy about Mufi, and given a credible alternative and Mufi’s attack blunders, many of these people are going the other way.

    Whether or not he wins on saturday, I give Abercrombie credit for running a good campaign. If he ultimately wins the Gov seat, Mufi’s political career is in serious hurt.

    Does anybody know which way Hanabusa leans between Mufi and Abercrombie?

  5. Kolea Says:

    I have often argued here and elsewhere that crossover voting is unethical and can be a significant factor.

    Crossover voting is when voters who identify with one party decide to vote in another party’s primary. Let me try to differentiate between different types of crossover voting. If the motive is to vote for the weakest candidate of the other party in order to defeat them in the general, this is called “strategic” crossover. Let’s call this “Type 1.”

    There is a second type of crossover voter. One who identifies with a particular party, but believes the winner of the other party’s primary is likely to go one to win the General Election and therefore votes for the “least objectionable” candidate in the other party’s primary. This option is made more attractive if there are few (if any) interesting contests on one’s own party ballot to provide an incentive for sticking with one’s own party.

    There is a third type of crossover voter. If a voter crosses over because they truly support the candidate they are voting for, and not only intend to vote for the candidate in the primary, but also plan to stick with the candidate should he/she make it to the General Election. This has been termed ‘sincere” crossover voting.

    In Hawaii, virtually all crossover voting is done by Republicans. Not because Democrats are inherently more ethical than Republicans, but because the incentives for crossover voting are greatest in states where the minority party is greatly outnumbered and the majority party is so dominant. In Idaho, for example, the GOP which is dominant and almost all crossover voting is done by Democrats, hoping to elect the least rabid Republican. 😉

    The Hawaii GOP as “Party” has conflicted interests on the question of crossover voting. Polling suggests Duke Aiona has a marginally better chance of defeating Neil than Mufi. (Or, to put it another way, to lose to Neil by a smaller margin than to Mufi). So there is some incentive to encourage republican aligned voters to vote for Neil in the primary.

    BUT, much of the GOP base is fired up over Civil Unions and would prefer Mufi over Neil. Other GOP diehards have come to view Mufi as the Anti-Christ because of his dogged promotion of Rail.

    Complicating things further, there is only a handful of Democrats who have the stature to compete against Linda Lingle should she pursue her obvious goal of becoming a US senator. Mufi is one, Ed Case is another. So Lingle’s people want to do whatever they can to stop Mufi’s career. (During the Akaka v Case Senate race, Lingle political lieutenants in the Hawaiian community were actively helping Senator Akaka defeat Case. Something which has escaped mention in polite circles).

    The net result of the GOP’s conflicting interests is that the Party has stumbled onto a principled position, even if it may have been for unprincipled reasons. They are urging Republicans to vote in their own primary.

    Since the purpose of a primary is to allow members and others who identify with a party to select their standard bearer, I believe all three forms of crossover voting are improper. Those crossing over for the conscious purpose of voting for the weakest candidate are clearly being unethical. There is no ambiguity in that. I suspect part of the attraction is that such voters think they are being “clever” and gaming the system. Undoubtedly they justify their amorality in the name of a “higher good.” After all, they are confident that the Democrats are a bunch of immoral crooks. So if it takes a bit of underhandedness to defeat them, it is justified, if only in their warped consciences.

    People who intend to vote for Aiona in the General, but who are going to vote for Mufi in the Democratic Primary because he is more conservative (or, in smaller numbers, will vote for Neil because he is seen as more independent of “the Machine”–as argued by Ed Case is HIS call for GOP crossover) are also being unethical, despite the comfortable rationalizations they might use to justify their behavior.

    While I also disagree with “sincere” crossover, its ethics are more ambiguous. If a voter who generally identifies with the Republican Party sincerely believes Mufi or Neil is the best choice for Governor and intends to vote that way in the General, I can respect their decision, even while disagreeing with them. IMO, if they do not think of themselves as “Democrats,” they should not be voting in the Democratic primary, but should wait until the General to express that choice. If they feel compelled, because of their strong support for ONE candidate to take a Democratic ballot, I think they should only vote in races where they sincerely hope the candidate to prevail in the General.

    If the third type of crossover voters, the “sincere” ones, is the ethically ambiguous, the other two types are not. It is popular to speak of politicians as cynical, amoral human beings. But voters who engage in strategic or tactical crossover voting are demonstrating they are at least as cynical and amoral as the pros. I am familiar with the rationalizations, but that is what they are. Justifications and excuses for behavior which cannot withstand careful scrutiny.

    Rather than castigate the rank and file GOP voter, or even the GOP leadership let me target those most responsible for encouraging this crossover. They are all (nominally) “Democrats”: Mufi Hannemann, Ed Case, Dennis Arakaki and Gary Okino to name the most obvious culprits.

  6. Jeff201 Says:

    Lingle for Senate isn’t going to happen. She’s lost a lot of the moderate supporters she once had where I don’t see how she can be elected statewide anymore. Right now she’s hoping for a job with the national Republican party and a cabinet post if a Republican wins in 2012.

  7. jayz43 Says:

    In my opinion, Hannemann’s troubles started when he stonewalled those who had unanswered questions on rail, when even the city council was hard-pressed to obtain information from his administration. The comments on “anything rail” in the Advertiser were overwhelmingly against rail, Mufi and his administration.It crescendoed when Brennon Morioka released damning correspondence on the airport station fiasco.

    The commenting jeers continued when Kirk Caldwell’s letter to the Advertiser was printed, lauding Hannemann’s “vision” in getting a bill passed to move the homeless out of the parks, only to see them settle on the sidewalks. That obsequious piece, which was signed by two of his department heads was a pathetic attempt to put Hannemann in a better light.

    I said earlier in the year on this blog that I felt Mufi Hannemann was unelectable and that he would fall on his own sword because of a character flaw. Little did I realize that his infamous, “I look like you, and you look like me” statement, followed by his racist “tinged” fliers would seal the deal. This just rekindled unpleasant childhood memories of growing up in Hawaii back in the 50’s and 60’s.

    I will cast my vote for Neil Abercrombie and vote for Duke Aiona in the General Election.

  8. jaded Says:


    I worked at an event where Mufi strongly demanded that Colleen be barred (he got his wish in the end), so I don’t think they consider themselves the best of buddies. 😉

  9. kailuaresident Says:

    Kolea takes up lines and lines of text and doesn’t place the responsibility where it lies – with the State Constitution. Some states have closed primaries. Some allows you to vote in different parties in each primary race. But Hawaii has open primaries, and the votes haven’t seen fit to change it.
    The Governor is not going to be the governor of the democratic party, but the Governor of all of us.

  10. jaded Says:

    Give me a break, kailuaresident!! So now it’s our Constitution’s fault … sheeeeesh!! You guys are pathetic …

    And stop campaigning at Oahu taxpayers’ expense!!

  11. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:


    During the 2010 Primary Campaign, what did Ed Case do or say or didn’t do or didn’t say for you to classify him in the same sentence with Mufi Hannemann, Dennis Arakaki, and Gary Okino.

    He certainly does not share the same positions with them on reproductive choice, civil unions, “family values,” or critical church/state issues such as what should or shouldn’t be taught in the public schools. In this campaign, he has shown himself to hold the same values on these critical issues as just about every progressive Democratic I’ve met.

    jayz43: Why would you vote for someone in the Primary if you do not think s/he is qualified enough for a vote in the General?

    Do you have competitive races in your House or Senate districts? Here on O`ahu, if you live in House District 18, 25, 38, 45, 49 or Senate District 25, you cannot vote in the Republican Primary if you vote for Neil.

    Why not vote NOTA? Although the blanks don’t count this Saturday, the numbers do make a difference in the post-election analyses.

    In the General, if Mufi wins, I’ll either vote NOTA or for whomever survives amongst the lesser-known candidates. If Neil wins, then I’ll vote for him – again.

  12. Nikki Heat Says:

    The part of the Washington Post article you quote is what hits me as the heart of Mufi’s problem in this campaign. I can admire hardball politics and tough campaigning and understand that negative campaigning works when you’re trailing. But Mufi(and many of his supporters) still can’t see how folks perceived the Compare and Decide brochure (and how the Hawaii media, perhaps to make up for the Hannemann-Bainum wives hit, jumped all over Mufi and his “independent” surrogates for all the black ops this time) and how deciding to send it and then how you defend it reflects your character. For Mufi, it’s still all factual (including the gratuitous inclusion of their wives’ names) and he’s only sorry that you non-Harvard graduate didn’t see (or perhaps understand, lemme explain it to you) the playful humor of the comparison of an Ivy League degree and the UH kind. For Mufi, it was just a job “resume” and “Let’s just leave it at that and move on. What’s your next question? . . . Why are you asking me these questions? Ask me about Neil. The flier was just a small part of it, there are other things here. So let’s move on!”.
    Sad. Mufi has a great resume and there’s no denying that he has accomplished quite a bit (even annointed early on, you gotta have something on the ball to become a White House fellow IN ANY ADMINISTRATION and to have had as many high profile assignments in government and private sectors as Mufi). Unfortunately for him what’s on paper isn’t the only things voters are thinking about this year– they wanna know if they can entrust you with their hopes and dreams. I may be proven wrong on Saturday night, but voters seem to have doubts about Mufi deserving that trust.
    Oh, and see you all at the Unity Breakfast Sunday morning.

  13. WooWoo Says:


    Thanks for answering. That means that, should Neil win, Mufi is going to be standing in line at least behind Case and Hanabusa for a senate seat.

  14. WooWoo Says:


    Whether Lingle can win a senate seat or not depends on who her opponent is.

    There is a big difference between saying, “I’m not happy with some of the things she has done in the last 4 years,” and “Randy Iwase would have done a better job.”

  15. zzzzzz Says:

    @kolea, for me it’s either crossover voting allowed, or non-partisan elections. Here, now, locking people out of the Dem primary in most cases disenfranchises them.

    E.g., I see this year’s gubernatorial election as between Neil and Mufi. I don’t see why I should be denied a vote just because I can’t buy into the Dem party platform.

    I’d prefer non-partisan elections with just a general election, and also with a different voting system than what we’re using to elect the Honolulu Mayor. I’d like to see something that allows us to pick a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choice, like MVP voting.

  16. Michael Says:

    In a recent commercial dealing with hanneman.
    He is asked who he would like to have lunch with.
    His answer his parents. I see a Tiger Woods copycat.
    Where Tiger is alone with a look of shame and his fathers voice is heard. hanneman is doing the same thing. Not very original and one can see the Acting (shibai). One who can see this won’t vote for hanneman. What has hanneman really done in the years he was in office? Nothing outer Island voters can be proud of. Did hanneman admit he made a mistake? No, not my fault but pointing finger at the other guy.
    Little does hanneman know that even one finger pointing has 3 remaining fingers pointing back at him.

    As far as I see there is a “Hawaii Aloha” and a “Missionary Aloha”. Hawaii Aloha is true Aloha. Love uncontested. Missionary Aloha is like when Missionaires first came to Hawaii. Calling Native Hawaiians uncivilized, Pagans, savages, ignorant, etc. My way or no way. Your voice don’t even count, so “shut up”. Mainland thinking or Local thinking. Mainland Democrat or Hawaii Democrat. Which is it? Dissention in the Party.

    I was told by someone who I find interesting. hanneman copies the ideas of Late Mayor Frank Fasi but has no leadership to lead but his way of leadership is by bullying. Bullying rather than discuss. None of hannemans ideas are original. If it were he would then know how to go abouts and finish it.

    Oahu has only 1/4th the votes of all of Hawaii Counties. What outer Island do will make or break the gubertorial election primary. Remember the difference between Mainland Democrats and Hawaii Democrats thinking. Is hanneman or abercrombie a Mainland Democrat or a Hawaii Democrat?

    aiona? aiona who? no ones knows of lingles shadow. What is a LG is good for, Absolutely nothing. War!
    aiona would have also vetoed HB444 because he said it is Same Sex marriage just the words changed to Civil Union. Is that a decision one would expect from someone in his office if elected? Sounds like lingle has a hand in this or pulling strings. Did lingle endorse marionnette aiona?

    Cross over? SUV! I vote for a Hawaii Democrat not a Missionary Democrat. Figure out which is which.

  17. Kolea Says:


    that list is of well-known Democrats who have publicly called for Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary. Ed very visibly called upon people regardless of party affiliation to vote for Neil against Mufi in the primary, even if they intend to vote for Aiona in the General.

    Just because that crossover would help my favored candidate does not mean I will overlook it. I belive it was improper.


    don’t know if you were part of the extended discussion of the SCOTUS ruling in the “Jones” case. The court has ruled open primaries such as we have here are unconstitutional. The state constitution cannot trump that. All it would take is a lawsuit. The Democratic Party here has been tied up in knots whether to file such a suit or not.

    The biggest objection is not legal or principled. It is concern over the public relations. Certain prominent pundits reflexively oppose any effort by the Democrats to assert their rights as a party.

    Given the open discussion of crossover voting this election, I expect debate within the Party will resume right after the election.

  18. Michael Says:

    If either Democrat loses, would 2 men end up kissing and making up to reunite the Hawaii Democratic Party?
    If they both lost to aiona they would become unemployed academics.

  19. David Shapiro Says:

    Kolea, as a practical matter, our political system gives the Democrats and Republicans a duopoly on political power. Even in the mayoral election the voters have said they want nonpartisan, the two parties are intruding. So you’re damn right we unaffiliated voters are going to take an interest in how you guys go about choosing the candidates we have to live with – and that you’re going to have a PR problem if you cut us out.

  20. jayz43 Says:

    Michael said: “aiona? aiona who? no ones knows of lingles shadow. What is a LG is good for, Absolutely nothing. War!”

    Interesting. Your callous remark reminded me of Mufi Hannemann’s, awhile back someone mentioned a comment of Dave Shapiro…”Who’s Dave Shapiro?”. I’m sure he knows who Shapiro is now. And Hannemann’s obvious dismissiveness is part and parcel of his character flaw that cost him this election.

    Perhaps in November you might not be as dismissive of Duke Aiona.

  21. shaftalley Says:

    to neil abercrombie’s credit,he has voiced his opposition to war in iraq and has strongly supported increasing US oil production and other renewable energy.abercrombie’s critics,including mufi,say that he has supported off-shore drilling in coastal waters and lifting moratorium for drillings while serving as congressman in DC.it’s true BUT,i believe his main concern was the high cost of gasoline in hawaii specifically,and his and obama’s desire for a very forward energy policy which includes off-shore-drilling to try to REDUCE OUR NATIONS DEFECIT and create more jobs (and political points,sure.why not?).i think abercrombiewanted what was best for hawaii and the nation by supporting off-shore drilling,especially since we are so dependent on foreign countries for our oil.he had nothing to do with theBP spill in the gul.and the fact that he received donations from oil companies,so what?politics.if he becomes our govenor i hope that he still has a policy for off-shore drilling off the coast.oil is here to stay.

  22. Michael Says:

    jayz43 Says:
    “Interesting. Your callous remark reminded me of Mufi Hannemann’s, awhile back someone mentioned a comment of Dave Shapiro…”Who’s Dave Shapiro?”. I’m sure he knows who Shapiro is now. And Hannemann’s obvious dismissiveness is part and parcel of his character flaw that cost him this election.”

    It seems you are counting chickens before the eggs hatch.
    hanneman is more a mystery of What his Major was.
    Being educated at Harvard Business School, a Graduate School of Harvard University. What was his major that he graduated Cum Laude?

    “Perhaps in November you might not be as dismissive of Duke Aiona.”

    As you count your chickens before they hatch, best hope your eggs be fertile (repeat). You should be sure first before saying I may not be as dismissive come November of Duke Aiona. Perhaps or assuming?
    I will vote in this primary and for vote for ?
    I may cross over in the final and vote for ?

  23. Michael Says:

    I will vote in this primary for ?

  24. Kolea Says:


    You say the two partues are intruding in the non-partisan mayoral race. Maybe I missed the memo, but I do not see the Democrats unified behind one mayoral candidate. The GOP is endorsing Panos. There is no equivalent behavior from the Dems.

    Again, that does not make us more virtuous, but you often resort to sweeping statements of false equivalence when criticizing the parties. When the Dems do something you dislike, say so. But when ithe GOP does something you dislike, please don’t pretend both parties are doing it.

    This also applies to the ecploitation of religion for political gain. Yrs, individual Democrats are doing it. But not tje Party itself. UNLIKE THE GOP.

  25. jayz43 Says:

    @ Michael:

    With all of Mufi’s academic accolades, apparently he missed taking the Common Sense 101 course. In reflecting back at his political history, it is filled with unnecessary verbal vitriol. At times, him and his entourage acted like common street thugs. It is a character flaw that has reared its ugly head for years, but hopefully this time it has buried him. This character flaw was just a time bomb waiting to explode.

    Hawaii and the spirit of aloha deserve better than a Mufi Hannemann. I see no spirit of aloha with, “I look like you and you look like me”.

  26. Mark Smith Says:

    The whole country can see what is going on here in Hawaii. In the beginning I was undecided, but now I like Neil’s casual style, while I dislike Mufi’s clean-cut image. Having a full beard myself I took offense at Mufi’s jab at Neil’s beard. Then heard about the “you look like me” speech, and now I see ads promoting a new softer, kinder, humbled Mufi…who’s wife is now complelled to praise him as a “good husband.” I don’t think we need a man governing our state who makes civil decisions based on his religion’s doctrines. No to gambling, civil unions, beards…where will it end? Hopefully Saturday night

  27. David Shapiro Says:

    Kolea, I was referring to the last two Caldwell mailers stressing his Dem ties and Inouye support. A clear attempt to turn the race partisan.

  28. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:

    Kolea: I was told that I could only invite Kirk Caldwell to a Demolcratic Party Primary event I was coordinating because he was the only mayoral candidate who was willing to be identified as a Democrat. As far as I could tell, the two other Democrats did not ask for support.

    I still think you need to acknolwedge that Ed Case is not cut out of the same political bolt of cloth as Gary Okino, Dennis Arakaki, and Mufi Hannemann on these critical social justice issues.

    I know you don’t like him because of his fiscal conservatism and his support for the Bush Administration’s inital moves in Iraq seven-plus years ago.

    Those are very different – although extremely important – issues which the other three men are pushing to support/oppose. Ed is 180 degrees away from them.

    With respect to the issues raised concerning the Primary itself, I cannot imagine ever wanting to vote in a Republican Primary, but I do support the concept of pulling one or the other. What I do not support is having to be a member of the Party whose ballot you’ve selected.

    Why not have a third ballot for all the independents and let the goppers and the burros who want to get support from that increasingly larger group of voters do so.

  29. Nikki Heat Says:

    well, it must be desperation time– Mufi is now asking UH sportsfans to crossover and, gasp, vote Saturday in the Democratic Primary because he’s gonna save UH sports. http://www.kitv.com/politics/25045719/detail.html Has he no shame? Saturdays in the Fall are a sacred time for sitting around in your living room and watching Notre Dame at Michigan State (or BYU at Florida State on ESPNU, Alabama at Duke on ESPN, Arizona State at Wisconsin on ESPN 2, Nebraska at U.Wash., USC at Minnesota, and, of course, Hawaii at Colorado on DirectTV). I sure hope whoever loses– Neil or Mufi– doesn’t concede until after the Texas-Texas Tech game is done! BTW, Harvard hosts Holy Cross so I made sure to walk-in vote last week.

  30. Kolea Says:


    Sorry, but you really don’t get the point. This discussion has been about crossover voting. I listed the prominent Democrats from this election cycle who have openly encouraged Republican crossover voting in the Democratic primary. Ed Case is most definitely on that list. He explicitly clled upon Republicans to vote for Neil in order to “weaken the Machine.” Maybe you missed that?

    He differs from the others on other issues. But so what? My list was limited to the narrow question, not an all-sided analysis of the man’s positions on the other issue you would prefer to talk about. I am not beating up on the guy for his pro-corporate, anti-worker economics, nor for his unapologetic, blind support for Bush’s war crimes. We can save that for another time.

  31. Kolea Says:


    Caldwell stressing his Democratic credentials is not equivalent to the GOP’s open support for Panos. Democrats individually are split, mostly between Caldwell and Carlisle and the Democratic Party has not even come close to expressing a preference.

    But if you want to stick with your “both parties are intruding” on the non-partisan nature of the primary spiel, it’s your blog. It just happens to be a false equivalency.

  32. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:

    And you don’t get it either. The reason why the Okino, Hannemann and Arakaki are going after the cross-over vote is to support the candidate who will support their positions on these social justice issues so that in November an anti-choice/anti-gay/pro-religious-right guy will win no matter who wins.

    Ed’s position is to support the candidate who supports the core values of the Democratic Party. Since the Republicans cannot take The Fifth Floor – at least not in 2010 – this is one extremely important way to make sure that Neil wins.

    You may assume that the outcomes of their reasoning are the same, but the rationale behind Ed’s position is very different from the other three.

    Let’s move on to discussion whether or not to change the Primary Election system – first by holding a series of internal discussions at least within the Democratic Party as well as setting up a legislative task force. Actually, the two could be done concurrently. The work product could then be placed before the voters in 2012 as a Constitutional Amendment.

  33. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc Says:

    Sorry for the typos – long day.

    “Let’s move on to discussing……”

  34. Kolea Says:


    I think your point is quite clear. If crossover voting helps a politician you support, it’s OK. If it helps someone you oppose, it’s bad.

    My point is, I guess, less nuanced, more simplistic, but that’s who I am. Because the purpose of a primary is for those aligned with a political party to pick THEIR nominee, I believe only those with a good faith attitude towards that party should vote in that party’s primary.

    Maybe I have an idiosyncratic understanding of the primary? Oh wait, the US Supreme Court agrees with me, as shown in the California Democratic Party v. Jones case I rambled on about on one of Dave’s posts several days ago.

  35. zzzzzing Says:

    … leading them to ask, “Why should I vote for a guy who says he shares Republican values?”

    Perhaps because some of the “Republican values” he shares are better for society than the alternative, which Abercrombie represents?

  36. Michael Says:

    jayz43 Says:

    I can agree, there is no common sense.
    Let’s hope the voters who are voting have more sense to elect the best person, even if they have to cross over.

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